KLS Ghazal , mara ba ghamza

It is in Arabic or Farasi. Urdu words might not fit.

I am also interested in knowing its meaning.

What exactly is so great in this ghazal that KLS picked it?
--
Rawat

Post by a***@yahoo.com
I tried to understand the meaning of this ghazal but failed miserably
on account of many unfamiliar words .
Can someone well versed in faarsi kindly explain what is he trying
to say in the ghazal ,
Maara ba ghamza kuch to khazara bahana saakht
Khud sooemaan thi jo hayara bahana saakht .
Rab kamba masjide ke babi nam jammale dost
Daste ba rukhsati to dhuara bahana saakht
Daste badoshe ghair nihadat kare karam
Maara jo cheeze lazzate paara bahana saakht
Zahid na daastabe jafa me fareed khwar
Kunde ki rafto yaade khudara bahana saakht .
Please forgive me for the errors if any , I had written the way
I heard the ghazal .
Thanks ,
Anil

Afzal A. Khan

2004-10-12 07:03:32 UTC

This Farsi ghazal is by Mirza Qateel, originally a hindu
(khatri caste) who had embraced Islam. He was a contemporary
of Mirza Ghalib. I had this ghazal with me but will have to
look it up. Right now, I can only tell you about the first
sher : its correct text is as under :

Ma~ra ba~GHamza kusht~o~qazaa~ra bahaana saaKHt
KHud soo-e-ma na deed~o~haya~ra bahaana saaKHt

A rough translation : Us ne apne naaz-o-aNdaaz se
mujhe qatl kar diya aur bahaana yeh banaaya ke (meri)
qaza (maut) to aani hee thee (in other words, maiN
KHud apnee maut mara).

Us ne KHud meri jaanib dekhna pasaNd na kiya
(mujh se aaNkheN pher leeN) aur bahaana yeh banaaya ke
us ne haya (sharm) kee wajah se meree taraf naheeN dekha.

It is quite late at night, so I shall defer my comments
about the rest of the ghazal.

Afzal

V S Rawat वी एस रावत

2004-10-12 16:20:11 UTC

Post by a***@yahoo.com
I tried to understand the meaning of this ghazal but
failed miserably on account of many unfamiliar words .
Can someone well versed in faarsi kindly explain what
is he trying to say in the ghazal , Maara ba ghamza
kuch to khazara bahana saakht Khud sooemaan thi jo
hayara bahana saakht .
Rab kamba masjide ke babi nam jammale dost Daste ba
rukhsati to dhuara bahana saakht
Daste badoshe ghair nihadat kare karam Maara jo cheeze
lazzate paara bahana saakht
Zahid na daastabe jafa me fareed khwar Kunde ki rafto
yaade khudara bahana saakht .
Please forgive me for the errors if any , I had written
the way I heard the ghazal .
Thanks , Anil

This Farsi ghazal is by Mirza Qateel, originally a hindu
(khatri caste) who had embraced Islam. He was a
contemporary of Mirza Ghalib. I had this ghazal with me
but will have to look it up. Right now, I can only tell
Ma~ra ba~GHamza kusht~o~qazaa~ra bahaana saaKHt KHud
soo-e-ma na deed~o~haya~ra bahaana saaKHt
A rough translation : Us ne apne naaz-o-aNdaaz se mujhe
qatl kar diya aur bahaana yeh banaaya ke (meri) qaza
(maut) to aani hee thee (in other words, maiN KHud apnee
maut mara).
Us ne KHud meri jaanib dekhna pasaNd na kiya (mujh se
aaNkheN pher leeN) aur bahaana yeh banaaya ke us ne haya
(sharm) kee wajah se meree taraf naheeN dekha.
It is quite late at night, so I shall defer my comments
about the rest of the ghazal.

Your mail is showing 12:33 of daytime. I wonder how that
can be late at night.

Awaiting your translation of the rest.

--
Rawat

Afzal A. Khan

2004-10-12 17:29:50 UTC

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Post by Afzal A. Khan
It is quite late at night, so I shall defer my comments
about the rest of the ghazal.

Your mail is showing 12:33 of daytime. I wonder how that
can be late at night.
Awaiting your translation of the rest.

--
Rawat

On your server. Remember, there is a time difference
between Indore (India) and the US.

Afzal

Surjit Singh

2004-10-12 17:09:57 UTC

This Farsi ghazal is by Mirza Qateel, originally a hindu
(khatri caste) who had embraced Islam. He was a contemporary

Is he the one famous for the
beard-shaving-not-hurting-anyone-but-hurting-the-prophet incident?

Post by Afzal A. Khan
of Mirza Ghalib. I had this ghazal with me but will have to
look it up. Right now, I can only tell you about the first
Ma~ra ba~GHamza kusht~o~qazaa~ra bahaana saaKHt
KHud soo-e-ma na deed~o~haya~ra bahaana saaKHt
A rough translation : Us ne apne naaz-o-aNdaaz se
mujhe qatl kar diya aur bahaana yeh banaaya ke (meri)
qaza (maut) to aani hee thee (in other words, maiN
KHud apnee maut mara).
Us ne KHud meri jaanib dekhna pasaNd na kiya
(mujh se aaNkheN pher leeN) aur bahaana yeh banaaya ke
us ne haya (sharm) kee wajah se meree taraf naheeN dekha.
It is quite late at night, so I shall defer my comments
about the rest of the ghazal.
Afzal

Afzal A. Khan

2004-10-12 19:17:12 UTC

Post by Afzal A. Khan
This Farsi ghazal is by Mirza Qateel, originally a hindu
(khatri caste) who had embraced Islam. He was a contemporary

Is he the one famous for the
beard-shaving-not-hurting-anyone-but-hurting-the-prophet incident?

Post by Afzal A. Khan
of Mirza Ghalib.
Afzal

Yes. But you must narrate the full story, otherwise it can
lead to misunderstanding.

One of Mirza Qateel's admirers from Iran came to see him.
By that time, Mirza had made quite a name for himself as a
writer of mystic poetry. He found the poet in the act of
shaving his beard. When queried, the poet replied :
"I am only shaving my beard. I am not causing hurt to
anybody's heart". The admirer protested that in fact the
poet was hurting the heart of the Prophet. On hearing this,
Mirza Qateel is said to have fainted. He realized that he was
in error and thenceforward he grew his beard.

Afzal

Surjit Singh

2004-10-12 20:06:16 UTC

Post by Afzal A. Khan
This Farsi ghazal is by Mirza Qateel, originally a hindu
(khatri caste) who had embraced Islam. He was a contemporary

Is he the one famous for the
beard-shaving-not-hurting-anyone-but-hurting-the-prophet incident?

Post by Afzal A. Khan
of Mirza Ghalib.
Afzal

Yes. But you must narrate the full story, otherwise it can
lead to misunderstanding.
One of Mirza Qateel's admirers from Iran came to see him.
By that time, Mirza had made quite a name for himself as a
writer of mystic poetry. He found the poet in the act of
"I am only shaving my beard. I am not causing hurt to
anybody's heart". The admirer protested that in fact the
poet was hurting the heart of the Prophet. On hearing this,
Mirza Qateel is said to have fainted. He realized that he was
in error and thenceforward he grew his beard.

Very interesting!

a***@yahoo.com

2004-10-13 14:41:41 UTC

Post by Afzal A. Khan
This Farsi ghazal is by Mirza Qateel, originally a hindu
(khatri caste) who had embraced Islam. He was a contemporary

Is he the one famous for the
beard-shaving-not-hurting-anyone-but-hurting-the-prophet incident?

Post by Afzal A. Khan
of Mirza Ghalib.
Afzal

Yes. But you must narrate the full story, otherwise it can
lead to misunderstanding.
One of Mirza Qateel's admirers from Iran came to see him.
By that time, Mirza had made quite a name for himself as a
writer of mystic poetry. He found the poet in the act of
"I am only shaving my beard. I am not causing hurt to
anybody's heart". The admirer protested that in fact the
poet was hurting the heart of the Prophet. On hearing this,
Mirza Qateel is said to have fainted. He realized that he was
in error and thenceforward he grew his beard.

Very interesting!

I always used to think it was by Baba Fareed , a sufi saint .
This is in reference to his name in the last ashaar I mentioned .

Anil

paabagil

2004-10-14 17:24:13 UTC

This Farsi ghazal is by Mirza Qateel, originally a hindu
(khatri caste) who had embraced Islam.

Are you sure this is Qateel's? I have some parts of a manuscript
version of deevaan e Qateel where a Ghazal does appear in the same
zameen but the ash'aar are different. Could be a "do-Ghazala" but they
usually appear back to back in a deevaan.

Post by Afzal A. Khan
He was a contemporary of Mirza Ghalib.

Qateel was born in 1759 and died in 1818. His original name was
Deevani Singh but converted to Islam at the age of 18. He had a large
base of fans in the 19th century who gave Ghalib a rough time
following some denigrating remarks againt Qateel.

Zafar

Post by Afzal A. Khan
I had this ghazal with me but will have to
look it up. Right now, I can only tell you about the first
Ma~ra ba~GHamza kusht~o~qazaa~ra bahaana saaKHt
KHud soo-e-ma na deed~o~haya~ra bahaana saaKHt
A rough translation : Us ne apne naaz-o-aNdaaz se
mujhe qatl kar diya aur bahaana yeh banaaya ke (meri)
qaza (maut) to aani hee thee (in other words, maiN
KHud apnee maut mara).
Us ne KHud meri jaanib dekhna pasaNd na kiya
(mujh se aaNkheN pher leeN) aur bahaana yeh banaaya ke
us ne haya (sharm) kee wajah se meree taraf naheeN dekha.
It is quite late at night, so I shall defer my comments
about the rest of the ghazal.
Afzal

UVR

2004-10-14 21:04:15 UTC